SirUlrichvonLichenstein : let Me make this point, SW for You to consider as the Owner of this room
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ nods and listens
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : that with this safety, this security offered here also comes responsibility. That the Doms here will treat them with dignity and respect and in like fashion expect the same.
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Oh I think for the most part that is true for those Who are regulars here ....
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : since janie has been coming here, before and after Welder was her Master, she has always treated Me and others respectfully … I can not make that claim of all subs who serve here.
Welder : i agree
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : I have had to discuss whether I am addressed as Sir or not. Why is that necessary? I am told because the rules allow it … is that reason enough to call Some Sir and others not?
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : the rules allow it simply to avoid the debate and drama that it causes for some.... It is that age old debate over using Sir or Ma'am .... the whole concept that it is a sign of respect and that One MUST earn respect first blah blah …
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : Well if regular Doms such as I have not earned it......
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : well see I do not agree with that whole concept of You needing to earn it … if a certain girl that You know was still around ....... she would say and tell her "sisters" that to call You Sir was a sign of respecting themselves and their chosen stations
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : listens
※Goodsoul※ : Doesn't any human being deserve respect? Has one to earn respect before one is respected?
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : call it respect or simple politeness .... I say You or anyone else deserves it ... until or if You should prove otherwise … And even then I am not so sure that calling One “Sir” should not continue … it is something that one does for him or herself ... respecting her/his chosen station and honoring it
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : indeed the person the girl is really respecting is herself
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Exactly
Welder : Ulrich - it's more a reflection on the quality of the sub -- if they call you Sir - they are respectful -- if they don't -- they may be disrespectful - alternatively their Master may have instructed them to do so
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : all true
※Goodsoul※ : I think it's rather a question of courtesy in a courteous persons' room, but Im intruding in what is not my business. If so I'm sorry
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : not at all Goodsoul ... Your opinion is valued ... and I support it … For Me, anytime someone has told Me they cannot call Me Sir because they do not know Me well enough yet, or I have not earned the respect yet .... I just sorta shrug
Welder : yes -- yes had that in the room not so long ago
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : lol … but there is the exception that Welder notes. If his/her Master has told the sub not to.
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Well there is another issue all together there ...and once again is why the rule is written as it is
※Goodsoul※ : Apparently the question of calling one Master or not or girl or not is a question of privacy, intimacy … Is there difference between Master and Sir among you, according to your courtesy habits?
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : There is Gooodsoul and We can discuss that but please let Me finish a few thoughts …. the whole idea that a Master or Mistress would not allow His or Her girl or boy to call Me Sir befuddles Me ... I have also been told by a few submissives that they consider it a sign of submission ... which I simply do not agree with … in fact if there is one reason I would change the rule it is because of that lol
※Goodsoul※ : right, submission is something deep in the heart
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : I view it as a matter of respect, their submission is established elsewhere, in other ways
※Goodsoul※ : Now I can see the difference
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : nods .. exactly! … if nothing else respect for his or her Master/Mistress
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : I feel You!
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : it is simply politeness .... and in no way an act of submission ... it is a way for the submissive/slave to show honor to their Master or Mistress ... just as janie's serve here is
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : I agree, it shows honor to the Master/Mistress
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : For whatever reason, I just say oh well ... shrug and look around to others
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : I do shrug, and move on, SW but it leaves a bad taste, and so My visits are less frequent
Welder : I have no issue with your comments Shifting
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : ok good to know Welder
SirUlrichvonLichenstein sips His amber liquid
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : You can call her anything You desire Goodsoul ...
Welder : however, like all things there are different schools of thought --- this is My bugbare -- that there is no general consensus within the lifestyle
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : "bugbare" .. not sure what that means Welder ... must be an Aussie term
Welder : yes - an aussie term … annoyance = bugbare … we'll make an aussie out of You yet Shifting
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : ahhhh ok … lol oh hell a few have tried
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : LOL You ain't kiddin
※Goodsoul※ : Suppose I meet a lady here and we turn into what you call Doms and subs (I guess the meanings), may I call her Mylady rather than girl, which is something of... say... an embarassment for a French gentleman
※Goodsoul※ : oh, ok, so it's not a rule, it's just a gentlemen agreement
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : not at all Goodsoul ..... stick around long enough and You might see Me call girls or ladies a lot of different things
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : I would say as Welder has there are schools of thought, meaning some adhere strongly to certain principles, others do not …. in essence Your beliefs set You apart
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : This is why We have at least set some guidelines and rules that are to be followed here ... as You would find in an off-line group or "House" Welder for those who do not wish to abide them .... they might be happier in another room ... or off-line ... in another group
Welder : guide lines are good
※Goodsoul※ : as I observe that there are more male Doms than female Doms... so it seems the rules are set by males... but I'm just a Frenchman with English as a second language
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : I am actually impressed at how many in here do adhere to more formal behavior out of choice
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : must be Your iron will, SW! lol
※Goodsoul※ : I admit that anyone who doesn't abide by the room rules or customs will be happier in another room
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : yes they will Goodsoul …. Ulrich was right when He said that many feel safe and comfortable within the walls of Ducati House ...... but then there are those who will not feel safe or comfortable at all ....
※Goodsoul※ : That's the problem in chatrooms, the ones that persist in being regulars in rooms whose rules they don’t follow
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : well to be a regular here a person will adhere to civil and polite behavior at the very least ... those who wanna play grab ass or 60 nics or other games will quickly be educated to either find another room or open one of their own
※Goodsoul※ : For the time being I find it wise to be quiet and listen to you
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Oh Goodsoul ... back to a question You asked before … For Me ... unless I have collared someone and am in a committed and permanent relationship with her ...then I wish to be called Sir
※Goodsoul※ : ok
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : were My girl s to call Me Sir now, it would not be a good sign
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : But I will say there have been and will be those who will call Me Master … I just make sure to tell them that just because they call Me Master it does not mean I am their Master nor can they have those expectations
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : true … expressing more of a wish or belief than a collared reality
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : I have become somewhat jaded about it and really could care less ... they can come up with all sorts of reasons why they call Me Master ... that's fine... but it does not change My reality
Welder : again Shifting in RL we have come across that -- simply due to the fact there seems to be a heirachial development amongst Doms
※Goodsoul※ : collared? Like a dog? I'm sorry this embarrases me, but I have all respect for and intesrest in all you're saying
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Well there is another side to it Welder, You will never hear Me call You Sir .....lol
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : I should get some rest …. Night Mates!
Welder : nite Ulrich
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : take care My Friend thanks for the good discussion!
※Goodsoul※ : Good night, Ulrich
§ėŋŧǿşä : tc Ulrick
SirUlrichvonLichenstein : always
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ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Well Goodsoul … collared more in the sense of say a wedding band …. although in play, yes a collar used for a dog might be used at times
※Goodsoul※ : Thank you for giving me that meaning. I understand
Welder : collared to me Goodsoul -- means ownership --- janie is owned by Me - she is My property, the impact of the terms owned and property have far reaching consequences
※Goodsoul※ : something's beyond me here, once again, unless Janie wants and loves to be a property
Welder : this she does -- it was her choice
※Goodsoul※ : now I understand better …. So you consider yourself as her owner out of courtesy towards her
Welder : no I am her owner let Me ask you -- if you own something and it's you property -- how will you treat it?
※Goodsoul※ : I can sell my property, but you can't sell Janie
Welder : in theory yes I can -- I can give her away -- I can do as I please but would I … no -- because I love my property
※Goodsoul※ : May I ask a very private question, Welder?
Welder : you may
※Goodsoul※ : ok, you've answered before I asked, I wanted to ask you whether you loved Janie …. Now you love her, so I understand the meaning of "property" as a man responsible for...
Welder : yes -- the power in all of this is the mindset
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Goodsoul ...in the English language dictionary one of the definitions of own or owning is different from that which refers to actual property … to own such as .... the French rugby team "owned Britain" on the field in their match or to own in the sense of ... feeling so good when I woke up I knew I was going to "own" this day … does that help?
※Goodsoul※ : ok yes, I get you … May I ask another private question?
Welder : you may
※Goodsoul※ : Do you Welder and Janie meet bodily speaking or do you meet only in the chatroom?
Welder : we have been married for over 32 years, this room is the closest we have found that is reflective of real life
※Goodsoul※ : oh, marvelous! … I apologize for having surmised a different situation
Welder : it's ok, the people in here are first class, no nonsense
※Goodsoul※ : I had detected it but I was unsure …. This is why I'm back today, I'm not at ease with non-1st class people
Welder : 2nd classers come and go
※Goodsoul※ : lol and 3rd classers … They don't even enter?
Welder : booted in about 2.5 nano seconds
※Goodsoul※ : which is about the same
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : well they are strongly encouraged to go elsewhere or invited to open a room of their own
※Goodsoul※ : Thank you for welcoming me. I appreciate
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : It is a pleasure to have You here Goodsoul
Welder : since your in a D/s room Goodsoul -- and I have been open and honest with My responses -- I will ask You -- What is your interest?
※Goodsoul※ : My interest is very simple: I'm a very busy man, that has very few private friends, and that wants to meet real friends, so I think that chatrooms is a way to that goal
chat service is a way towards that** I've not got well used to the Internet vocabulary
Welder : I appreciate your need for friendship -- but why a D/s room?
※Goodsoul※ : Because D/s people are necessarily courteous delicate people in my opinion …. but there are lifestyles D/s rooms I don't like, because they are just libidinous
Welder : yes it is diverse … based upon that comment -- you have visited other rooms?
※Goodsoul※ : Yes, a few months ago I visited a room with PaternalMaster and his submissive pet, but the room has closed up or changed its name … I don't remember the other nic names, but most of them were charming people, only very... say... lustful at times
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : I believe it is called Eden and is just down the block from Us Goodsoul
Welder : is it something you have considered or are considering to introduce into your personal life?
※Goodsoul※ : oh no, not really, my personal life is fulfilled, but I am a man highly respected in my "trade" and for that reason lacking in friendship
Welder : good for you -- the funny thing is W/we don't see it that way -- real fulfillment lies in a Master/slave relationship
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : there are times in here where You will see discussions regarding lustful things Goodsoul ... but not in a foul or sophomoric way and foul language is not acceptable here
Welder : chicken -- there said something foul
※Goodsoul※ : I've got a beloved wife and am not looking for a "girl", but I feel as if I were in a real friendly mood in this room, If you accept me as a friend, just a friend, a friend to everybody
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : discussions will occur about erotic or sexual experiences, but in a serious tone, not in a way that discredits personal sharing
※Goodsoul※ : I'm not embarrassed by erotic or sexual experience discussions. Sex is half everybody life. I'm not a hypocrite … But there are also other points to discuss, lol
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : yes as We have today/tonight
Welder : Shifting are you prepared to give him a go --- with the frienship thing ?--- I will give it a try
※Goodsoul※ : You can take time to think about it
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : lol oh I should hope You know that You have already crossed that line with Us Goodsoul
※Goodsoul※ : Of course, I have crossed the line, as I was here yesterday and I'm back today, the interval between yesterday and today is the line …. But I'm capable of understanding that a man like me is not relevant to this room
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : You have a great deal of relevance here ... and offer a lot to this room …. Let it be known to All that, until further notice, Goodsoul is a "Friend of Ours" ... not only a Goodsoul is He but a Goodfella as well … There's Your official proclamation …
※Goodsoul※ : Thank you. So I feel dubbed...
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : lol
Welder : Goodsoul the thing to remember We are essentially poles apart -- you are what term - vanilla -- but saying that D/s people are unlike the vanillas -- they are open and honest -- try to be the same
※Goodsoul※ : Well, it is 10:23am here and I've got an appointment. Good bye all of you
Welder : next time lessons on chat
※Goodsoul※ : Next time
Welder : tc
※Goodsoul※ : Goodbye
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : good day Goodsoul … please return again
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Welder : Shifting a vanilla in the room! dunno about that
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : Well I have a confession to make .... I still adore and crave what some might refer to as vanilla sex would never think of giving it up .... ain't no way
Welder : really? crave for vanilla sex -- wham bam thankyou mam?
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : not hardly
Welder : lol
ﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﻀ : I figure it this way .... once I have told her to do something ... commanded her to maybe lay on her back or get on her hands and knees ... I have already fulfilled any nebulous definition of BDSM versus "vanilla"
Welder : now there's the subtlies is it really a command or a request?
2 comments:
I wish had been here the night this discussion had taken place.
Since i was not Master has allowed me to give my views here. Thank You for that Master. Please know, these are just my opinion, I do not speak for anyone else and certainly would not attempt to speak for Master! He does not need any to speak for Him, He has always been let known how He feels. Thank You again Master for allowing me to give my thoughts.
Many have come to think of Ducati House as home, and become comfortable here. W/we enjoy the privilege of having a place to come where feel safe and secure, knowing will not be harassed by a "wanna be" or made to feel uncomfortable with vulgar or inappropriate language and comments. Is it a perfect room, of course not. That does not exist.
For this there are some things asked of T/those who come here, both Doms and subs. The subs are asked to be polite, respectful,
willing to be open and honest, and share in keeping the room drama free. To help in whatever way are able to make T/those who come in feel welcome and wish to return; be that with a friendly greeting, a good discussions, serving One something to drink if desired. Each does what they are able and what they are comfortable with.
From the Doms, to be polite to the guests respectful to the girls in the room. If one has a question, needs assistance, we know that there are Ones is in the room, we can go to for help
The one "glitch" if you will that i see in my time in the room is the discussion on title, and what a Dom/me should be called ; how they should be addressed.
For me, it is simple. I address as Sir almost always. I say almost because on rare
occasions there have been some i just can't. But there would have to be a very real and definite reason for me to not do so. Usually it is because of something i have seen or experienced first hand, that has made me lose so much respect
for them that i find it would bring disrespect to those i do call Sir. Still i will be
polite always out of respect for the rooms owners. Before people jump in and say they have seen me address Others by name and not using a "title", I am first to admit this has not always been the case .But i have grown, and changed. Master has taught her, and in learning my thoughts and ideas have changed on how i am comfortable addressing O/others. Not because i have been ordered to do so or told "this is what i expect of you...do it." But listening to Master and others discuss Their
feelings, wishes, ideas and then forming her own thoughts on the subject.
If They read my profile, they will see that i have a Master. Spend any time with me in a room, will know that i am with Master Ulrich, and so will connect my behavior to Him. His reputation is reflected in how i behave, what people think of me. People will talk pro or con of Him because of what they see of His girl, especially if do not know Him. For that reason as well, i choose to show respect to E/everyone i cross paths with in any room i may travel to. It is important to me that He be able
to go anywhere, and if Someone says is she Your girl, He can say yes and know that any comeback will be positive. My behavior reflects directly on Him.
While in Ducati House, i feel like each of us represent
the room and Those who own it. For new people who come in, the reputation of the room lies in the hands of the members. It does not matter if the best Dom/mes &
Masters run a room, if the room is filled with rude insolent, mouthy subs, The room will have the reputation of being a place of " ill manners, brats and disrespect.'
(cont.)
I address all as i wish my Master to be addressed. I think if all would do just that there would be no need for discussions on if One needs to "earn" respect or
be given because they are Dom. I would like to think we can also expect the Dom's to use manners, to show respect in the room not only with the subs but among Themselves as well.Tthat They will treat a sub with same manners as They would wish
Their sub/slave to be treated by Others.
Goodsoul stated clearly that he is not in the lifestyle. Yet comes to the rooms because of what He finds here; good conversations,intelligent thoughts being shared. Open minded, considerate people. Not just from the subs, but from Dom/mes as well. I think we need to look around at ourselves in the room, and ask if we are all doing our part to keep that reputation.
Simply_s
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